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		<title>Cleveland vs. Greenberg on Isolationism (so-called)</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 16:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Preble</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>By Christopher Preble</p>Props to Grover Cleveland at Pileus for his short but perceptive take on David Greenberg&#8217;s op-ed in yesterday&#8217;s New York Times. Cleveland places the piece in the “Not Worth a Read” category and asks: Hasn’t this kind of simplistic “history” and inaccurate categorization of today’s critics of liberal internationalism/neoconservatism been written about a million times [...]<p><a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/cleveland-vs-greenberg-on-isolationism-so-called/">Cleveland vs. Greenberg on Isolationism (so-called)</a> is a post from <a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org">Cato @ Liberty - Cato Institute Blog</a></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By Christopher Preble</p><p>Props to <a href="http://pileusblog.wordpress.com/2011/06/30/worth-reading-and-not/">Grover Cleveland at <em>Pileus</em></a> for his short but perceptive take on <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/30/opinion/30Greenberg.html?_r=1&amp;nl=todaysheadlines&amp;emc=tha212">David Greenberg&#8217;s op-ed in yesterday&#8217;s <em>New York Times</em></a>. Cleveland places the piece in the “Not Worth a Read” category and asks:</p>
<blockquote><p>Hasn’t this kind of simplistic “history” and inaccurate categorization of today’s critics of liberal internationalism/neoconservatism been written about a million times already?  And aren’t these types of pieces really just rhetorical bullying to prevent a serious discussion of American foreign policy?</p></blockquote>
<p>Answer: <a href="http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=13230">Yes, and yes</a>. And Cleveland is hardly the first to make this observation. (e.g. <a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/aei-on-the-spectre-of-isolationism/">here</a>, <a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/is-there-a-rise-in-isolationism/">here</a>, and <a href="http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/06/isolationism-n-someone-who-occasion-opposes-bombing-foreigners">here</a>)<br />
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As with other writers who have crawled out of the woodwork recently to write about isolationism (so-called), Greenberg is sure that it&#8217;s bad, both for the country and for the Republican Party.<br />
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I agree with that statement. But I disagree with Greenberg&#8217;s characterization of the discussion taking place within the Republican Party (and the country) about the purpose of U.S. military power to be in any way comparable with the debate over ratification of the League of Nations Charter in 1919 or overwhelming public opposition to joining the war in Europe 1940 and 1941. Greenberg says that today&#8217;s isolationism &#8220;rejects America’s leadership role in the world.&#8221; I sense, instead, a skepticism toward the costs and benefits of American global hegemony, and a welcome (and to be expected) desire to shed some of these burdens.</p>
<p>To be clear, a sharp turn inward would be bad for the country. Global engagement has made the United States into the envy of the world. And yet, there is an ugly form of hostility toward outsiders that runs throughout U.S. history. Today, it manifests itself in the xenophobia, nativism, and outright bigotry that maintains that the United States can remain strong only by deporting 12 million undocumented immigrants and building a 20-foot high wall along the Mexican border. Isolationism is also manifested in protectionism, a false belief that American manufacturers and American workers can disconnect from the global marketplace, and that producers and consumers alike would both be better off if we were all confined to the domestic U.S. market.<br />
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<span id="more-34204"></span>But it is neither accurate to say that most Americans are isolationists nor that a different foreign policy, one more focused on self-defense and exhibiting restraint abroad, reflects isolationism. Rather, Americans crave a different foreign policy than that practiced by both Republicans and Democrats over the past two decades. They hunger for alternatives that would allow the United States to remain engaged in the world, but at less cost, and with other countries doing their fair share. In this context, it is hardly surprising that some Republicans (and some Democrats, too) are cautiously testing the waters of acceptable discourse. If they find that middle ground, between reflexive war-making and head-in-the-sand pacifism, they might strike political paydirt.<br />
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As to Greenberg&#8217;s claim that the GOP is mere moments away from being captured by the ghost of Robert Taft, I share <a href="http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-skeptics/the-threat-inflators-%E2%80%9Cisolationism%E2%80%9D-5544">Justin Logan&#8217;s skepticism</a>. Still, I am bemused by the terror that the specter of so-called isolationism is currently striking in the hearts of interventionists of both the liberal and neoconservative variety. Given that so many of them were (and are) cheerleaders for the reckless war in Iraq, the unnecessary and doomed-to-fail armed social work being tried in Afghanistan, and the foolish and unconstitutional war/non-war in Libya, I might take grim solace in the fact that they are finally getting their just desserts.<br />
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I might, except that the backlash against these and other misadventures might eventually push the country toward genuine isolationism, with all of its ugly connotations.<br />
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Here&#8217;s hoping that we can find that sensible center, of a United States that remains deeply engaged with the world, but that has dropped all pretensions to managing it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/cleveland-vs-greenberg-on-isolationism-so-called/">Cleveland vs. Greenberg on Isolationism (so-called)</a> is a post from <a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org">Cato @ Liberty - Cato Institute Blog</a></p>
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		<title>More from McCain on &#8216;Isolationism&#8217;</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Preble</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>By Christopher Preble</p>Over at World Politics Review, Justin Logan and I collaborated on an article about the supposed rise of  &#8221;isolationism&#8221; within the GOP. The charges come mainly from Sen. John McCain, though presidential candidate Tim Pawlenty copped that line yesterday, drawing praise from the editors of The Weekly Standard. McCain directed his &#8220;isolationism&#8221; fire late yesterday at West [...]<p><a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/more-from-mccain-on-isolationism/">More from McCain on &#8216;Isolationism&#8217;</a> is a post from <a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org">Cato @ Liberty - Cato Institute Blog</a></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By Christopher Preble</p><p><a href="http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/9246/for-u-s-interventionists-isolationism-is-just-a-dirty-word" target="_blank">Over at <em>World Politics Review</em></a>, Justin Logan and I collaborated on an article about the supposed rise of  &#8221;isolationism&#8221; within the GOP.</p>
<p>The charges come mainly from Sen. John McCain, though presidential candidate Tim Pawlenty copped that line yesterday, <a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/tim-pawlenty-warns-against-retreat-isolationism_575408.html" target="_blank">drawing praise from the editors of <em>The Weekly Standard</em></a>.</p>
<p>McCain directed his &#8220;isolationism&#8221; fire late yesterday at West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/twenty-seven-senators-sign-bipartisan-letter-calling-on-obama-to-speed-up-afghan-withdrawal/2011/03/03/AGdnPzVH_blog.html" target="_blank">one of 27 senators</a> who signed a letter to the president calling for a substantial troop reduction in Afghanistan. On the floor of the Senate, <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110621/ap_on_go_co/us_afghanistan_senate_dust_up" target="_blank">Manchin explained his reasoning</a>: &#8220;I believe it is time to for us to rebuild America, not Afghanistan.&#8221;</p>
<p>According to McCain, Manchin&#8217;s comments &#8220;characterize the isolationist withdrawal, lack of knowledge of history attitude that seems to be on the rise in America.&#8221;</p>
<p>But McCain needs to reconnect with recent history, and contemporary reality. Nation building is a fool&#8217;s errand: costly, counterproductive, and unnecessary. <a href="http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=13178" target="_blank">We could continue to hunt al Qaeda with far fewer troops in Afghanistan.</a> A smaller presence would provide us with sufficient flexibility to deal with other challenges elsewhere — and help us to put our own house in order. McCain is OK with spending over $100 billion a year in a country with a GDP of around $16 billion, while our economy suffers.</p>
<p><span id="more-33625"></span>Not surprisingly, <a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/06/21/support_for_nation-building_fades_in_gop.html" target="_blank">most Americans, including many Republicans, reject McCain&#8217;s views</a>. And they should. As Justin and I explain in the <em>WPR</em> article:</p>
<blockquote><p>Foreign policy should not be conducted by polls and focus groups, but in this case the public is right, and the interventionist consensus in Washington is wrong. The threats facing us are not so urgent that we must maintain a vast military presence scattered across the globe and consistently make war in multiple theaters at once. The United States is the most secure great power in history, and if policymakers would act like it, the evidence suggests the public would support them.</p>
<p>In particular, given that our recent overseas military interventions have carried significant costs and delivered very few measurable benefits, it is hardly surprising that Americans are pushing back against the sorts of foreign adventures McCain favors. We don&#8217;t know whether the faint rumblings of common sense in the GOP presidential primaries indicate that Beltway elites are finally coming around to our view, but we hope they do. Should that happen, it would be prudence prevailing, not isolationism. (Full text <a href="http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/9246/for-u-s-interventionists-isolationism-is-just-a-dirty-word" target="_blank">here</a>.)</p></blockquote>
<p>Why any Republican aspiring to the presidency would follow the advice of a two-time loser like McCain (in 2000 to G.W. Bush, and in 2008 to Barack Obama) is beyond me. It makes even less sense for Democrats to listen to him.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/more-from-mccain-on-isolationism/">More from McCain on &#8216;Isolationism&#8217;</a> is a post from <a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org">Cato @ Liberty - Cato Institute Blog</a></p>
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		<title>On Differentiating &#8216;Realists&#8217;</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Justin Logan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>By Justin Logan</p>Jacob Heilbrunn wrote a piece recently wondering &#8220;where have all the serious Republicans gone [on foreign policy]?&#8221;  Heilbrunn observes correctly that the loudest Republican voices on national security these days are advancing a variety of zany views, taking as evidence Mitt Romney&#8217;s empirically-challenged attack on the new START treaty. In a similar vein, Daniel Larison [...]<p><a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/on-differentiating-realists/">On Differentiating &#8216;Realists&#8217;</a> is a post from <a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org">Cato @ Liberty - Cato Institute Blog</a></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By Justin Logan</p><p>Jacob Heilbrunn wrote a piece recently wondering &#8220;<a href="http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/07/16/end_of_the_establishment?page=full">where have all the serious Republicans gone [on foreign policy]</a>?&#8221;  Heilbrunn observes correctly that the loudest Republican voices on national security these days are advancing a variety of zany views, taking as evidence <a href="http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/brainiac/2010/07/arms-control_ex.html">Mitt Romney&#8217;s empirically-challenged attack on the new START treaty</a>.</p>
<p>In a similar vein, Daniel Larison wonders <a href="http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2010/07/20/realist-roots/">whether a return to Republican &#8220;realism&#8221; is even anything to thirst for</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>In practice, if the GOP “reclaimed its realist roots” I wonder how much would change for the better.  Republican realism sounds good by comparison with what we have had for the last decade, but most actual Republican realists, especially those in elected office, did little or nothing to challenge the endless hyping of foreign threats and the frequent recourse to military intervention abroad in the ’90s&#8230;  How many realists not affiliated with the Cato Institute expressed serious reservations about NATO expansion into Ukraine and Georgia before the August 2008 war?  As sympathetic as I am to many realist arguments, and as much as I appreciate the efforts of the most sober realists to try to steer Republican foreign policy thinking in a constructive direction, until Republicans reject confrontational and aggressive foreign policy goals it will not matter very much if they adopt realist means and rhetoric.</p></blockquote>
<p>The answer to Larison&#8217;s question about NATO expansion is that it was quite unpopular among non-Cato realists.  John Lewis Gaddis wrote at the time [.pdf] that &#8220;<a href="http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a780011901">historians &#8212; normally so contentious &#8212; are in uncharacteristic agreement: with remarkably few exceptions, they see NATO enlargement as ill-conceived, ill-timed, and above all ill-suited to the realities of the post-Cold War world</a>.&#8221;  He &#8220;could recall no other moment&#8230;at which there was less support, within the community of historians, for an announced policy position.&#8221;  That might have been putting things a bit too strongly when it came to realists, but not very much.  That is, actual realists, who don&#8217;t, by and large, get called to Washington.</p>
<p>This, I think, is the crucial distinction to make.  The bottom line here is that there is a big disconnect between people in the Beltway who call themselves realists and actual realists.  Ur-realist Kenneth Waltz once described himself as &#8220;a fierce critic of American military policy and spending and strategy, at least since the 1970s.&#8221;  John Mearsheimer points out that realists opposed the Vietnam War almost to a man (except for Henry Kissinger), and that realists opposed the Iraq War almost to a man (except for Henry Kissinger).  Since at least the Johnson administration, realists have tended to be dovish relative to the Beltway consensus as it has existed at any point in time, and active dovishness is not permitted in polite company in Washington.</p>
<p>Not only is it a mistake to hearken back to a Glory Day of Republican Realism, it is really a mistake to characterize any existing Beltway faction as &#8220;realist.&#8221;  Belligerent nationalists, Wilsonians, liberal imperialists&#8230;all those we have.  Realists, not so much.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/on-differentiating-realists/">On Differentiating &#8216;Realists&#8217;</a> is a post from <a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org">Cato @ Liberty - Cato Institute Blog</a></p>
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		<title>&#8220;United States&#8221;: Singular Noun, or Plural?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Justin Logan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>By Justin Logan</p>Paul Starobin, the author of an informative primer on foreign policy realism, had an interesting piece in the weekend&#8217;s Wall Street Journal on the topic of breaking up the United States. Devolved America is a vision faithful both to certain postindustrial realities as well as to the pluralistic heart of the American political tradition—a tradition [...]<p><a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/united-states-singular-noun-or-plural/">&#8220;United States&#8221;: Singular Noun, or Plural?</a> is a post from <a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org">Cato @ Liberty - Cato Institute Blog</a></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By Justin Logan</p><p>Paul Starobin, the author of an <a href="http://www.nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2006/0915nj1.htm">informative primer on foreign policy realism</a>, had an interesting piece in the weekend&#8217;s <em>Wall Street Journal</em> on the topic of <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204482304574219813708759806.html">breaking up the United States</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Devolved America is a vision faithful both to certain postindustrial realities as well as to the pluralistic heart of the American political tradition—a tradition that has been betrayed by the creeping centralization of power in Washington over the decades but may yet reassert itself as an animating spirit for the future. Consider this proposition: America of the 21st century, propelled by currents of modernity that tend to favor the little over the big, may trace a long circle back to the original small-government ideas of the American experiment. The present-day American Goliath may turn out to be a freak of a waning age of politics and economics as conducted on a super-sized scale—too large to make any rational sense in an emerging age of personal empowerment that harks back to the era of the yeoman farmer of America’s early days. The society may find blessed new life, as paradoxical as this may sound, in a return to a smaller form.</p>
<p>[...]</p>
<p>Today’s devolutionists, of all stripes, can trace their pedigree to the “anti-federalists” who opposed the compact that came out of Philadelphia as a bad bargain that gave too much power to the center at the expense of the limbs. Some of America’s most vigorous and learned minds were in the anti-federalist camp; their ranks included Virginia’s Patrick Henry, of “give me liberty or give me death” renown. The sainted Jefferson, who was serving as a diplomat in Paris during the convention, is these days claimed by secessionists as a kindred anti-federal spirit, even if he did go on to serve two terms as president.</p>
<p>The anti-federalists lost their battle, but history, in certain respects, has redeemed their vision, for they anticipated how many Americans have come to feel about their nation’s seat of federal power. “This city, and the government of it, must indubitably take their tone from the character of the men, who from the nature of its situation and institution, must collect there,” the anti-federalist pamphleteer known only as the Federal Farmer wrote. “If we expect it will have any sincere attachments to simple and frugal republicanism, to that liberty and mild government, which is dear to the laborious part of a free people, we most assuredly deceive ourselves.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Bonus points to Starobin for pointing to the same passage from George Kennan that I&#8217;ve taken to quoting.  Kennan worried whether &#8220;&#8216;bigness&#8217; in a body politic is not an evil in itself.&#8221;  As a result, he wondered “how it would be if our country, while retaining certain of the rudiments of a federal government, were to be decentralized into something like a dozen constituent republics, absorbing not only the powers of the existing states but a considerable part of those of the present federal establishment.”</p>
<p>The most obvious objection with which Starobin doesn&#8217;t deal is that you&#8217;d have a hell of a time selling this scheme on Washington, which happens to have&#8211;<em>how to put this politely?</em>&#8211;the means to ensure it gets what it wants.</p>
<p>A related objection would be the eternal political question &#8220;who gets the guns?&#8221;  What sort of armed forces would a decentralized United States possess?  Under whose control would they be?  Would we distribute nuclear weapons to each of the States in order to ensure none of them would get too skittish?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/fed14.htm">People smarter than me</a> have argued that size isn&#8217;t an obstacle to republican government in the case of the United States.  Note, though, the first of the four premises on which the pro-size argument rests:</p>
<blockquote><p>In the first place it is to be remembered that the general government is not to be charged with the whole power of making and administering laws.  Its jurisdiction is limited to certain enumerated objects, which concern all the members of the republic, but which are not to be attained by the separate provisions of any&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>If the case for centralism rests on premises like these that are artifacts of a long-since-squandered legacy, we probably ought to reconsider the arguments against centralism.  At the very least, those of us who want a very small government ought to think hard about the viability of a situation in which a small, weak federal government administers a giant, powerful nation.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/united-states-singular-noun-or-plural/">&#8220;United States&#8221;: Singular Noun, or Plural?</a> is a post from <a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org">Cato @ Liberty - Cato Institute Blog</a></p>
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